Wednesday, June 30, 2010

Ok, Ok...what about the Fed?


Let's hope DHS hasn't turned emergency preparedness and disaster response over to BP as well.

I am begging some all powerful MSM entity to press all disaster response organizations, from the top down, on what their evacuations plans are for N.O. and the Gulf Coast and if an evacuation would be extended because of the oil spill.  If that's a possibility, we need to know in order to plan for it.  

Am I the only worried about this?  I'll shut up if it's just me.  I'll shut up and load up a U-haul, but I'll shut up.

UPDATE:  What Hurricanes?

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Things that are safe to assume.

There is no plan

If there is a plan it will be of no use.

If there is a plan and it is of no use they will use it.

TanMan said...

Don't be silly, everybody knows there are no Hurricanes in the land of Walruses...

What is with all the "Red Tape" expecting Oil companies to have Clean up plans?

bruthaman1 said...

in the words of the great mike tyson!

"everyboby has a plan until they get hit in the mouth"

spill or no spill we're fucked if a storm hits the mouth of the river!

Ian said...

Some parishes have plans to force the oil response to evacuate before the residents, but since when do we know enough to call for an evacuation 72 hours or more before an expected landfall?

Those plans also mean those workers will be spending less time responding to oil.

Dambala said...

I have really bad feeling this is going to end up in a clusterfuck of the first order. By not informing the Gulf Coast residents that they have a plan, they are allowing wild speculation and rumor to take root. We may end up with a mass exodus, planned or not.

This is really amazing to me that they don't see the potential for chaos here.

I think they need to carve the Gulf up into sections pending the largest metropolitan areas, then create evacuation routes per those sections. That's assuming the evacuations will be larger than a normal hurricane threat.

I can't help but think there's a train wreck on the horizon.

jeffrey said...

I don't understand. Are you talking about a Hurricane evacuation plan? Because I guess we're just going with what we've been going with in that regard. What is it about the spill that should make the process any different?

Dambala said...

Here are some questions off the top of my head:

1. In the event of hurricane which drives a high tidal surge like Iva did, that could affect a VERY large swath of coastal real estate...just like Ivan did. Many of those areas weren't evacuated, but now we could be looking at a toxic tidal surge...what happens now? Does it change the danger factor and is that being taken into account?

2. Under that scenario, if there are massive areas which will be evacuated, have they planned for that in terms of evacuation routes?

2. If we are hit with even a minor hurricane and we get hit with a toxic sludge, even in a minor way, Allah forbid it pushes it's way into Pontchartrain or even into our water supply in the Mississippi, how is that going to affect the length of time in which we are allowed to come back into the city? Are we looking at a potential "indefinite" evacuation?

My overall point is that the fear mongering on hurricane + oil, is only going to build and build....i.e., the Huff&Puff Post is building the doomsday scenarios on a daily basis:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/30/rough-seas-from-hurricane_n_630774.html

Aside from getting ahead of the story and suppressing this type of

...shit I need to post this.

mcbrid35 said...

How does one make an insurance claim on an oiled, storm-damaged house if one is kept away indefinitely, or until whenever the EPA, LDEQ/BP/whoever decides it's okay for normal folk to check on their properties? Do the insurance adjusters get to go in ahead of the residents because they are somehow designated an essential business?

Anonymous said...

Whether or not the mass evacuation scenarios are likely, the questions you are asking are going to be asked by every resident of the Gulf Coast, by every potential resident, by people in every company planning where they will move their southern HQ, by every student figuring out where to go for college... and long term, things don't look so good for Louisiana right now.

Mass exodus or no mass exodus in the short term, every family that has to make decisions about where and how to live is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of life on the Gulf Coast.

Who wants to keep going through this over and over again?

Businesses will be doing the same thing, only without the bonds of love and sentiment to encourage them to stick it out.

There are thousands of oil rigs drilling too deeply out there.

The oil rain stories are spreading a fake-panic, but the real questions, such as the ones you are asking, and the ones I'm hearing over and over about the effect of the dispersants on pregnant women and fertility (Think Agent Orange babies, and you've got a sense of the concerns of some of the women I'm hearing from; kids are still to this day being born with hideous deformities because of the chemicals dumped on Vietnam during the war), bring up the true nightmare scenarios.

So what do people think?

What are you going to do?

Forget about them for a second. This is your life.

Anonymous said...

Dambala, not seeing the potential for chaos is why this mess happened in the first place. The people in charge are being consistent with their already established patterns of behavior.

And we are all doing what we always do, shaking our heads at their corruption, evil, stupidity, what have you, and yet entrusting ourselves to them to a degree we all know we should not.

Anonymous said...

being in the gulf now is like standing in acid rain huffing Gas and geting in the watter is insane bp high ups shuld get the chair or such!

Anonymous said...

corexit is a WMD used on the gulf

Anonymous said...

Apparently Coast-to-Coast is the only source for the truth:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/06/30

In the first half of the program, scientist J. Marvin Herndon discussed methane gas fears in the Gulf disaster. "Petroleum and natural gas deposits largely come about as a consequence of the earth fracturing," he said, and if there are cracks at the site of the oil leak, the initial fracture could spread, and potentially release a huge methane bubble. There've been suggestions that mass extinctions occurred in the distant past due to methane releases, he noted.

Richard C. Hoagland, who joined the conversation, said "we know there's a bulge-- the crust is literally being lifted upward in a ridge...and something is pushing it up, which is the pressurization of this extraordinary methane bubble they pierced with this deep well," which could be as deep as six miles down. If the methane bubble is released, it will cause water displacement that could create a massive tsunami, he warned. He called for the release of real time mud log data, so non-BP geologists could evaluate the situation.


HAHAHAHA... I'm loving this show now that they have the spill. Move over Shadow People, Good Bye Tinfoil Hat...

Anonymous said...

Dr. Jeff Masters has written several pieces about the effects of the oil and any hurricanes, you can find those at wunderground.com (weather underground)- he manages to explain complex things in easily understood language.